Exhibit tickets are confusing Obama supporters
Seeking seats for speech, some buy museum entries
Kevin Vaughan and Hector Gutierrez
Published July 31, 2008 at 8 p.m.
Photo by Wes Pope
Members of the media take a tour Thursday of Invesco Field. Cones mark stage and seating positions for the Aug. 28 DNC event.
Sharon Stewart couldn't believe her good fortune - two tickets to Sen. Barack Obama's historic night in Denver for $15 apiece.
She bought them on Ticketmaster for the "American Presidential Experience" at Invesco Field at Mile High and invited a friend to join her as Obama accepts the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.
But it turns out her tickets weren't for Obama's presidential experience but for a traveling museum of White House memorabilia. And the tickets are no good anyway because the museum won't be open to the general public Aug. 28, the day the Democratic National Convention moves to Invesco Field for Obama's acceptance speech.
"I'm just devastated," said Stewart, who splits her time between Phoenix and Los Angeles.
Add the American Presidential Experience to the list of things thrown into flux by Obama's decision to move the last night of the convention from the Pepsi Center to Invesco Field, where as many as 80,000 people could be on hand for his speech.
Ticket plan coming soon
The question of how tens of thousands of tickets will be handed out to the public has been a source of speculation since Obama's campaign announced the move to Invesco on July 7. One logistical problem for campaign staffers has been coming up with a system that would allow them to stop people from selling tickets on eBay - and ensuring that Obama faces a friendly, and full, house.
The Democratic National Convention Committee could announce as early as today how tickets will be distributed.
The American Presidential Experience opens in an Invesco Field parking lot Aug. 22 - three days before the convention.
Billed as the nation's largest traveling exhibit of presidential memorabilia, it includes a re-creation of Air Force One from the early 1960s, copies of inauguration gowns worn by nine first ladies, and a replica of the Oval Office.
After Stewart got an e-mail from a friend telling her she could buy tickets to Obama's big night, she went to her computer and picked up two of them.
She told friends and they did the same thing. Then she found out the tickets were not only no good for Obama's speech, they wouldn't even get her into the presidential museum that day.
She plans to ask Ticketmaster for her money back.
Credit being issued
In response to e-mail inquiries by the Rocky Mountain News about the confusion, Ticketmaster said that customers were notified that tickets will not be sold to the exhibit for Aug. 28 and a mass credit is being issued.
However, Tickemaster said it does not disclose any information about how many tickets were sold for the event and how many are available.
"Ticketmaster customer service has not received any complaints," Amanda Mill, a Ticketmaster spokeswoman in Los Angeles, wrote in an e-mail. "Ticketmaster was only selling tickets to the American Presidential Experience."
James Warlick, executive producer of the American Presidential Experience, said the Secret Service had informed the curators on Tuesday that the exhibit would be inside the security perimeter that the agents had established for people who would have tickets for the Obama speech.
The exhibit's organizers then notified Ticketmaster that the tickets for the Aug. 28 exhibit were not available for purchase.
"We apologize for this unfortunate situation and hope to work with people who bought tickets to the Experience thinking they were for the Obama event," Warlick said in a statement. "As it developed though, we had no control over the change in days the tickets to the American Presidential Experience were available."
Stewart, however, is still hoping to score tickets for Obama's speech.
"It's historic," she said. "I have got to be there. I am just trying to figure some way to get into the convention."
Presidential experience
In addition to documents signed by every president while in office, the exhibit will include:
* Shoes of several presidents
* A suffragette exhibit
* A full-size replica of the Oval Office
* A presidential limousine
* A full-size mock-up of a section of fuselage from Air Force One
* Replicas of chairs used by Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy and Franklin D. Roosevelt
* A 20-foot high replica of the Washington Monument in Washington, D.C.
* A Florida voting machine from the 2000 election
. . . and more
Other happenings tied to the Democratic National Convention:
* Rocky Mountain Roundtable is a series of issue- oriented discussions with panelists ranging from actor-director Ben Affleck to former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.
* Unconventional Women, the first roundtable discussion, will include House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
* Dialog:City is a free art event that involves 10 art exhibits in Denver neighborhoods.
* Cinemocracy Rocks! is a short-film festival Aug. 25 at Red Rocks Amphitheatre.
* Green Frontier Fest is a free outdoor sustainability celebration Aug. 24 at Sculpture Park.
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July 31, 2008
8:34 p.m.
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ghoax writes:
it goes ready, aim, fire...not ready, fire, aim. dems would be wise to learn this simple concept, pay attention, quit being led by your 'feelings", of course that's asking quite a bit considering their still struggling with the supply and demand concept. I don't "feel" one way or the other, I think that many d's suffer from delusions of superiority that greatly inhibits their effectiveness.
July 31, 2008
8:39 p.m.
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Shadow writes:
Does read the label before buying ring a bell for you? I do not feel sorry for this lady or others who jumped the gun and bought the wrong tickets.
When a person buys something they need to make sure it is the right item before purchase, and that they can afford it.
I wonder if they will insist on a taxpayer bail out for more stupidity on mismanaged funds?
July 31, 2008
8:56 p.m.
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titancain writes:
As usual the most hateful "people" in the state are out tonight.
God bless Republicans/Jesus!
July 31, 2008
9:36 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Typical Obama supporters. Morons. Same low IQ bunch that couldn't read ballots in Florida.
July 31, 2008
10:01 p.m.
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GetReal writes:
Big surprise to hear ObamaBots aren't in command of the facts and make unwise decisions.
Sharon had convinced herself the ticket deal was too good to be true, and let her emotions over-ride the common sense to thoroughly check the fine print before committing.
This same flawed liberal thought process is also exhibited in the massive numbers who refuse to fully investigate Their Messiah, or worse, choose to ignore what they find.
July 31, 2008
10:39 p.m.
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denverone writes:
Can't wait for Obama's immigration policy, but I predict it could go something like this.
Just have your criminal illegal alien family members already in the U.S. illegally, slash the tires of all the Border Control Agents vehicles just before you attempt to cross the border illegally. Something as simple as that, it's so simple!
A formerly failed Community Organizer for President. Priceless.
July 31, 2008
11:27 p.m.
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not_gene writes:
You know, all these intelligent comments claiming Obama's energy policy amounts to only telling people to inflate their tires piqued my interest. How could he propose such an asinine idea?!?
So, I went to his official website to read his actual energy policy; wouldn't you know it, not a single mention of inflating tires! I had assumed after reading the comments from the braintrust posting on this story that that was his only solution! Instead, I read a comprehensive plan to free the U.S. from our dependence on foreign oil. Here's the link for those of you who care to research rather than simply repeat talking points:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/conten...
Still, I wondered where these tire inflation comments were coming from. I researched further and watched clips of Obama making a comment about how if everyone inflated our tires properly we could increase our as mileage. Possessing analytical abilities instead of simple reactionary tendencies (like the braintrust), I was able to interpret that Obama was simply advocating that Americans take personal responsibility for the crisis we are in and practice conservation.
How novel.
Sometimes it pays to think.
August 1, 2008
5:22 a.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
"not_gene,
Excellent comment! I had no idea what they were talking about either! Republicans always try to bend the truth in their favor! How typical!"
Yes. How typical. You just go on believing the freak never said anything of the sort - right after you watch this:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives...
August 1, 2008
6:21 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Isn't it funny that Obama's speech will be the most sought after ticket and McSame can't even fill a restaurant.
August 1, 2008
6:50 a.m.
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FCZ writes:
Hope and change
August 1, 2008
7:01 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
SweetRevenge
Do you guys before you tuck yourselves into bed every night say a pray for violence and riots? Again the hate party at its finest.
August 1, 2008
7:02 a.m.
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RJS07 writes:
I'm really glad that dems never try to bend things in their favor! Oh wait, that's probably hateful, huh?
August 1, 2008
7:07 a.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
Obama supporters are already confused. With the museum ticket, maybe they will learn something.
August 1, 2008
7:20 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Don't ya just hate the haterz? Mean 'ol white men. Never do anything for anybody. Always dissin on mah boy. I hates 'em!
August 1, 2008
7:46 a.m.
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Rallyracer7 writes:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... DO YOU THINK THEY WILL RUN THE COUNTRY ANY BETTER?
August 1, 2008
7:56 a.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
Rush must have been misquoting Obama's tire inflation remark.
Too bad the training ground for the mass mind couldn't explore some of the details like how 64% of the cars on the road have underinflated tires, with a fuel efficiency cost of 3-6%, and tire life reduction of 10%.
Overnight we could improve the mileage of half the cars on the road by 5%. It would be a remarkably simple and sustainable way to significantly reduce America's oil consumption. Compare and contrast with the stupidity of drilling for a bucketful of oil in an environmentally sensitive area, oil that will then go to China. But no, God forbid we had an administration and energy policy that included asking citizens to a) think, and b) take personal responsibility for their part in the U.S.'s energy consumption.*
If the Repubs were in charge, the drive to land on the moon would have begun with 30 years of exhaustive research into improving methods by which to drive to the country club.
Conservatism: Hypocritical b.s. and self-absorption disguised as some sort of noble philosophy.
*Having an energy policy, period, would be a start.
August 1, 2008
7:57 a.m.
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cooperjtd writes:
I have no comment for the comments posted. I have been living in Texas this last year and through that time I have thought I had seen ignorance and lack of rational common sense at it's greatest. But I see that the majority of people who post here are following the texas trend. I am truly ashamed of the people in my home state.
August 1, 2008
8:01 a.m.
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ghoax writes:
obama supporters are confused to begin with, should this be any surprise. There wasn't a government program to assist them and make sure they make good decisions, or read about what they were buying. Praise to obama who'll soon save the world from having to take personal responsibility, the elite shall do that for you.
August 1, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
Obambi supporters and confusion go hand in hand. To those that missed some of the Obamessiah's proclamations about inflating your tires and getting tuneups for your cars- he said that would offset all drilling needed. Good luck with that.
August 1, 2008
8:12 a.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
cooperjt- maybe we can start on the Texas jokes for your amusement. stfu.
August 1, 2008
8:25 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
"tickets are confusing Obama supporters"
Confused by a ticket = MORONS!
August 1, 2008
8:32 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
McCain is so old, everything he buys has a lifetime guarantee.
August 1, 2008
8:59 a.m.
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P_Denver writes:
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dilligaf writes:
... Again the hate party at its finest.
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Excuse me? Which party's convention is drawing ITS OWN bunch of anarchists and Re-Create Chaos crowds? Let me see - I have a 50-50 chance on this ... could it be -- the DEMS?
Talk about a divisive group!
The simple presence of a tent with church volunteers cleaning up trash caused the DEM commentators to spew an amazing amount of hatred yesterday! No speeches, no signs, just handing out water and pickup up litter -- and the DEMS couldn't stand their presence!
Who are the haters again?
August 1, 2008
9:01 a.m.
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IRUNMAN writes:
It is certainly disheartening to read these posts and think, wow, these are actually adults who are typing this stuff.
Albeit, school is out, it is still summer break.
August 1, 2008
9:09 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
See the cons don't want anything to do with solutions to conserve oil. Their goal is to help companies like Exxon/Mobil break another record and boost their quarterly profits from 12 billion to 14.They are people that would give a thief a key to their car so he could steal it.
August 1, 2008
9:11 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
If I was an undecided voter, reading the comments directed at both candidates as well as their supporters would make up my mind for me.
The worst things I've read from the anti-McCain side is alot of posts calling him "McSame" and accusing him of being a Bush lackey.
The posts from the Obama haters are generally full of mean spirited vitriol.
As far as substance and content...the anti-McCain comments are much more likely to have opinions and points on real issues.
The anti-Obama posts are usually just insults, innuendo and empty rhetoric.
When you think about it, any undecided voter with an ounce of intelligence is going to read some of the posts like the ones from Gene, "getreal", et al...and decide that they don't want to be associated with people who think and behave like this.
August 1, 2008
9:12 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Tickets, unlike orbital mechanics, electronics and medicine, are very hard to understand. Unless one is an experienced ticket geterer, it can be a very stressful experience.
August 1, 2008
9:12 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Maybe the Lord and Savior, Barack Obama should make it less confusing for his supporters.
August 1, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
SAS
Your late for the KKK meeting. Gas prices got to this point under your never do wrong Bush Jr.
August 1, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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HankRearden writes:
I'm deeply offended by the McCain camps' commercial comparing Obama to Paris Hilton. Both Paris and Obama are media creations, both are empty vessels and neither speaks well without a script. But at least Paris did a sex tape to become famous. I haven’t been able to find anything even mildly noteworthy that Obama has accomplished. McCain owes Paris an apology.
August 1, 2008
9:16 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
P_Denver
First of all moron I have seen nothing that shows me that these protesters are democrats or the democrats gave them an invitation to come. Do you know something that no one else knows? Doesn't it seem a little weird that democrats would protest democrats? Are you related to SASQUATCH? Or did you two go to the same grade school? I say grade school because I know you never made it any farther.
August 1, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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navymom writes:
denverone: "A formerly failed Community Organizer for President. Priceless"
No politician is priceless. Just look at all the money Congress spends.
cooperjtd: "I have no comment for the comments posted. I have been living in Texas this last year and through that time I have thought I had seen ignorance and lack of rational common sense at it's greatest. But I see that the majority of people who post here are following the texas trend. I am truly ashamed of the people in my home state."
By saying that you have no comment on these posts and then insinuating that people posting are ignorant and irrational, you made a comment on the post. Did you lack normal mental clarity of thought when you posted or were you just being facetious? LOL
BTW, quit disparaging my home state of Texas. Texans, as a whole, happen to be friendly, smart and full of common sense. Maybe your experience was with the many people from other parts of this great nation who have made the decision to move to Texas.
August 1, 2008
9:21 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
Trythinking writes:
I'm deeply offended by the McCain camps' commercial comparing Obama to Paris Hilton. Both Paris and Obama are media creations, both are empty vessels and neither speaks well without a script. But at least Paris did a sex tape to become famous. I haven’t been able to find anything even mildly noteworthy that Obama has accomplished. McCain owes Paris an apology.
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And John McCain cheated on his first wife..the woman who waited for him while he was a POW with the younger woman that he would later dump her for and marry.
Then he took hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions and more than 10 luxury personal trips from Charles Keating in exchange for his influence into the Lincoln Saving and Loan fraud investigation and subsequent failure which cost U.S. taxpayers more than $3 BILLION for which he was later admonished by the senate for "questionalbe conduct".
You've got empty rhetoric and a really weak attempt at humor.
I've got facts.
August 1, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
zivo24
They are the hate party. Your post at 9:11am is right on. You just proved my point.
August 1, 2008
9:25 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
There is a lot of humor in this article. But the lady who bought the "American Presidential Experience" tickets should have known better. She should have bought the "American Candidate Experience" tickets. Unless I missed the vote already.
Regarding the items in the museum, who really would care to see former president's shoes? Monica's dress...maybe. Like a car accident, you don't want to look but you still do.
August 1, 2008
9:40 a.m.
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P_Denver writes:
dilligaf
First of all, your post called the prior posts "haters" and accused them of praying for violence.
Re-read them, and you'll see they were simply making fun of the DEMS confusion, It was poking fun at them for not reading about what they were buying tickets for. A true story.
They were NOT calling for riots or suffereing or expressing hatred.
YOU started that.
Then, when I called you on it -- and gave a specific, verifible example -- you immediately respond with namecalling. Really mature.
If that's your example of how DEMS view people who think differently from themselves, it's a real wonder how any of you support the causes you do.
We can't even discuss differences without resorting to schoolyard antics.
That's pathetic.
Have a good day.
August 1, 2008
9:45 a.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Dilligaf,
What? You attack most on here that disagree with you. Even those that do not attack you. Then you claim THEY are the party of hate. You have made claims that none of the groups are democrats nor can anyone prove they are democrats................Nice try. I bet if you were to ask those organizers especially within the R68 crowd which party they were registered, and I would bet most would be Democrats. Cant prove it because those records are and need to be confidential. Their views are that the Democratic party has gone too far to center and wanting to bring it further to the left.
Others that you cheer on here are the ones that are making derogatory remarks towards McCains age. To you this is acceptable. Good way to alienate one of the largest growing population demographics in the country.
Personally I think a lot of people posting in here are hateful, regardless of party affilliation. But since you are using the words hate, I have yet to see you extend your hand accross the aisle to bring this country together rather than divide it. Although my row as far as party affilliation is not of the 2 party system, I have and will extend my arm to both rows. What about you?
August 1, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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Chelle writes:
LOL
What's the problem? The traveling museum will probably be more entertaining and most definitely patriotic. Maybe you'll learn something the about the country you live in instead of listening to a confused individual who's only motivation is to be the first black president. In my opinion it's a suicide mission unless you get Ken Salazar to run for VP for insurance purposes.
I thought the Brittney, Paris commercial was hilarious..
August 1, 2008
9:57 a.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
Actually, the Ticketmaster site is clear as mud on the subject. And why were they selling tickets for the date in question?
Can't imagine how someone would read "presidential" and "Invesco" and "aug. 28", then maybe come to the conclusion it's the Obama gig. Who would have guessed it might also be tickets to view First Lady dresses?
August 1, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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HankRearden writes:
zivo24 writes:
"You've got empty rhetoric and a really weak attempt at humor.
I've got facts."
Thanks for your input. What has Obama accomplished? Do you have those facts. Don't tell how bad McCain is, or critic my sense of humor, tell what your Messiah has accomplished. That should be easy. If he truly is the great statesman and born leader and the one that will deliver us from all things bad, it should be easy to name one piece of groundbreaking legislation that he authored and passed, one strategy that he conceived of to help the American people. What grand accomplishment came from his amazing 147 days as a US Senator, (the job that he had before becoming the Savior).
I’m setting the bar pretty low. You got the facts zivo24; let’s hear them. Enlighten us on the Chosen one’s record of accomplishments. BTW talking about something isn’t actually accomplishing something, just like “feeling” isn’t “doing”. This would be an objective measure not a subjective measure. Please note that giving Chris Mathews and the rest of the press corps a woody, doesn’t count.
The Great Carnac’s prediction is that your response will be entirely about Bush or Cheney or McCain.
August 1, 2008
9:59 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
Frankr,
Um...what happened to judging people by people who support them?
All you "conservatives" were so gung-ho about that when you were in lynch mob mode over pastor Wright.
And I do know about Obama and McCain's voting records and policies.
And as previously stated, I know about John McCain's history of cheating on his first wife, taking money and favors from Charles Keating in exchange for his influence, and having a majority of his top level campaign advisor and fundraising positions filled by lobbyists - the people he will and always has been beholden to.
Hell, the fact that Obama hasn't used McCain's admonishment by the senate for "questionable judgment" is proof that he is doing things differently.
That admonishment is on the record and it is FACT.
You can bet if Obama had been admonished by the senate for taking money and favors...he wouldn't even by the nominee.
August 1, 2008
10:02 a.m.
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davies writes:
Chelle: The reason the Obama supporters are mad is that they don't want to go see a traveling Presidential Museum. That is something that McCain supporters are more likely to appreciate. Maybe some stuff in there is even older than McCain.
Now if it were a traveling circus, I'm quite sure the Obama folks would not be having so much buyer's remorse ;-)
August 1, 2008
10:09 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Sasquatch - Great line hahahaha "This guy is shallower than a bird bath!" Too funny...
trythinkin - your 9:15 post is too funny. I won't take it personally. Anyone owing PH an apology really needs to re-examine their values.
Now my point - This is actually an issue about selling tickets, on-line, for an event at mile hi, right? Let's bash the appropriate party, ticketmaster. They are scum. Talk about an infaltion causing machine. Ticketmaster is a useless parasite to the public. Take aim, fire, blam! Ticketmaster is gone & no need to fill the lack of void...
August 1, 2008
10:09 a.m.
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tjpatriot writes:
What? This poor lady bought tickets to an Obama event, and it turned out to be just a Bill-of-Goods?
That's not really possible, is it?
August 1, 2008
10:16 a.m.
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P_Denver writes:
I'm not sure about his supporters, but Senator Obama himself seems to be learning from past mistakes.
He hung on to Rev. Wright way too long. He tried defending the indefensible.
Recently some rapper (I forget who-never followed that style of noise) evidently made a "support Obama" recording that had all sorts of profanity in it, along with a phrase something like "let's paint the White House black."
Mr. O immediately condemned it, thanking the "musician" for his support, but making it clear he didn't like the way it was expressed. No hesitation, no equivocating. Done.
That gives me some hope that he really can "change" for the better -- when he has reason to do so.
August 1, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
"Sasquatch - Great line hahahaha "This guy is shallower than a bird bath!" Too funny..."
I agree. So does that mean that Obama is not even "for the birds."
August 1, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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HankRearden writes:
Thanks Flyfishdude52,
You can fish on my land in Georgetown anytime. It's loaded with 12 inch browns and I don't fish.
August 1, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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JDub writes:
I took some advice and visited Obama's website and "The facts are clear. Only one candidate has a detailed plan that is at Apollo moon-mission scale, using technologies that work right now -- Barack Obama"
Now, take a peek at his plan and find a single thing (other than $300 rebate) that is something that works "RIGHT NOW"!
Here are ALL of the dates I see:
$300 rebate - I will put that straight into my bike, not Big Oil's pockets
Investment over 10 years (to go to moon or something?) - this is an investment in technology, not even the technology itself
Reduce oil consumption by 3 million barrels in 10 years - this helps now?
10 million bbls reduced in 30 years - now?
5 million renewable energy jobs "plan" - not dated but possibly January 15, 2009
Double fuel efficiency within 18 years - what about now?
Reduce energy intensity of economy by 2030 - (30 - 8 <10 give or take)?
Windfall Profits Tax - ASAP to get those Big Oil Devils
Straight from the site. SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN!
August 1, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
Trythinking,
Some of Obama's legistlation:
- The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law)
-The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
S.2488 : A bill to promote accessibility, accountability, and openness in Government by strengthening section 552 of title 5, United States Code (commonly referred to as the Freedom of Information Act) (the 2007 Government Ethics Bill)
S.2803 : A bill to amend the Federal Mine Safety and Health Act of 1977 to improve the safety of mines and mining. In addition, he's authored and/or sponsored many bills and amendments to other bills.
Some of the bills and amendments that have successfully passed the Senate include the following:
S.1418 : A bill to enhance the adoption of a nationwide inter operable health information technology system and to improve the quality and reduce the costs of health care in the United States.
S.792 : A bill to establish a National sex offender registration database.
S.558 : A bill to provide parity between health insurance coverage of mental health benefits and benefits for medical and surgical services.
S.378 : A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to protect judges, prosecutors, witnesses, victims, and their family members.
S.5 : A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act to provide for human embryonic stem cell research.
S.RES.383 : A resolution calling on the President to take immediate steps to help improve the security situation in Darfur, Sudan with an emphasis on civilian protection.
S.1120 : An act to reduce hunger in the United States.
S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan.
S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976 To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty.
The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act
S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585 To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.
August 1, 2008
10:24 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
Some of Obama's legislation, continued:
.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.
S.AMDT.55 (and other amendments) to S.1 To require disclosure of lobbyists on "earmarks."
S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers.
S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests.
In the 109th Congress, Obama sponsored 84 pieces of legislation that passed the Senate (Scorecard: McCain 94. In the current 110th Congress, Obama has so far sponsored 70 pieces of legislation that have passed the Senate (McCain 37.
Most Senators have so far sponsored between 30 and 50.
August 1, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
Frankr writes:
Oh, and zivo -
I'm not a repub and not a fan of McCain. He isn't even a true republican. He has democratic views, much aligned to Hillary. Like Giullianai, a RINO. I was going to vote libertarian until you dems gave this no good anti-American, racist jerk who associates with known terrorists the nod. Now I have to vote for McCain because he is the lesser of two very evil parties.
Qualify your statements, Frankr:
"Anti-american" - proove it
"Racist" - proove it.
"associates with known terrorists" - again, proove it.
By the way, George Bush opened his first dry hole digging, no oil finding company using bin Laden family money.
FACT.
And so you would vote for a guy who we KNOW traded influence in exchange for personal profit (try googling "Keating Five") over someone that you THINK but cannot PROOVE is all the things you said.
And libertarian, please?
They lost all credibility when they selected Bob Barr as their candidate, a man who has a long, well established record of being vehemently opposed to everything their party site claims they stand for: PERSONAL LIBERTY.
August 1, 2008
10:36 a.m.
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davies writes:
gene: I scrolled up and saw your parallel universe alter-ego. I am impressed, and a little jealous. I've tried pretty hard some days to sensibly argue with people, but no 'anti-davies' yet. Sigh.
August 1, 2008
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Wright isn't the only racist Obama has associations with. Imagine the uproar the Democrats would have if McCain had an associate with KKK ties. Double standards, and that's the Democratic party theme. "What's good for us isn't good for them"....... and it's too funny some of you make fun of McCain's age. Guess your parents are old and senile and should be put to sleep because they're old too, huh? Too bad your intellect levels are low, because people who've actually experienced life have something to teach the rest of us, unlike someone who talks and talks but hasn't done jack ####!
August 1, 2008
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zivo24 writes:
Frankr writes:
So then, zivo... Which of Obama's policies do you like best? And how does it compare to what we are guaranteed in our Bill of Rights? Is it higher taxes that you like best? You know, that 16th amendment that was never ratified? The one that was to be temporary and never rise above 4% of our gross earnings? I don't believe a word you write.
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Do a little research sir.
The highest budget deficits we have had have all occurred under republican presidents.
The highest of all of them? Under George Bush.
Do you understand what the deficit is?
It's the difference between what the government is spending and what they are bringing in revenue.
Clinton left office with a budget SURPLUS - the first in more than 30 years.
George Bush erased that surplus in his first year in office and it was just reported that this year we will have a $490 BILLION deficit.
Are you getting this?
It's so easy to repeat the tired old rhetoric about democrats/liberals raising taxes..but the fact is that NO ONE would have to raise taxes if we had not had 20 years (Reagan and both Bushes) spending billions more than we were taking in.
When republican presidents spent more money than the government was taking in, they came up with now discredited "voodoo" economics to explain how they were going to make up the difference. Their economic policies failed and have plunged our nation into the deepest debt in our history.
The U.S. debt didn't hit $1 trillion dollars for the first time until nearly the end of Reagan's first term.
It was FOUR TRILLION by the time Bush Sr. left office.
So, you're "democrats raise taxes" whine shows how little you understand about our financial situation.
WE'RE IN DEBT!!!!
WE HAVE TO PAY IT OFF, SOMEHOW.
Republicans talk about personal responsibility but they want to push the debts and deficits they have built onto future generations.
I, for one, believe that we need to man up and take care of those debts ourselves.
And if you believe that any president isn't going to raise taxes..."read my lips"..I question your sanity and intelligence to vote.
I would much rather vote for a candidate who has the courage and integrity to admit that it may take raising taxes to take care of our responsiblities...than one (McCain) who says they won't do it...knowing full well that he will have to, especially if he hopes to continue supporting the billions of dollars we are hemoragging into the Iraq war EVERY MONTH.
August 1, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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davies writes:
"Sambofest"; how clever. Your name should be 'NoIQme'
August 1, 2008
11 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
I McCain aprove this message.
August 1, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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coloradovet writes:
Hey right wingers, how do you like these apples?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...
Well, at least you have the gun toting, bible carrying crowd behind you!
OBAMA08
August 1, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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HankRearden writes:
zivo24,
To be honest the list is actually a list of authored amendments to other bills. He didn't actual write the bill but he saw the need for "Change" within the bill. But he did actual author a few bills all by himself. They include,
A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian, a pioneer in the field of organic chemistry and the first and only African-American chemist to be inducted into the National Academy of Sciences.
A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.
A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that a commemorative postage stamp should be issued honoring Rosa Louise McCauley Parks.
A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.
A concurrent resolution commemorating Irena Sendler, a woman whose bravery saved the lives of thousands during the Holocaust and remembering her legacy of courage, selflessness, and hope.
A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".
A resolution honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes, the first African-American mayor of a major American city, in the 40th year since his election as Mayor of Cleveland, Ohio.
A resolution commemorating the 44th anniversary of the deaths of civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi, while working in the name of American democracy to register voters and secure civil rights during the summer of 1964, which has become known as "Freedom Summer".
A resolution expressing support for the designation of Disability Pride Day and recognizing that all people, including people living with disabilities, have the right, responsibility, and ability to be active, contributing members of society and fully engaged as citizens of the United States.
A bill to authorize resources for a grant program for local educational agencies to create innovation districts.
A bill authorizing the that September 31 is “Love a cute puppy day”
I made the last one up. Of course few of these actually passed, but you must respect his brave stances like honoring Rosa Parks, condeming violent actions in Zimbabwe and being against sickle cell anemia. What a brave soul.
Can you say empty suit?
August 1, 2008
11:19 a.m.
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Who_Me writes:
I am an Obama fan. I heard his acceptance speech was going to be at Fiddler's Green now. Anyone know how I can get tickets for that?
August 1, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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coloradovet writes:
I just did the math. If Obama can take Ohio and Michigan alone, plus all the states already solid or leaning his way, he will go over the 270 electoral count. That's without all the other toss up states that could sway his way!
OBAMA08!!!
August 1, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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davies writes:
Big_D writes:
"NoPCme, You are disgusting. I guess the racist GOP is out in public now. Your derogatory terms are sickening. How low will the GOP go?"
Taking the stupid remark by one person, assigning him/her a place in the GOP, and then asking "How low will the GOP go?" is just another form of bigotry.
It is the equivalent of me hearing a rap song with misogynistic lyrics, assuming it's by a black artist, and then rhetorically asking "how low will those black people go?
August 1, 2008
11:29 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
Hey "Trythinking"...
And why don't you tell us what McCain has been up to?
Some of McCain's most recently sponsored bills include...
Introduced Apr 17, 2008 S. 2890: A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide for a highway fuel tax holiday.
Introduced Oct 16, 2007 S. 2172: Saffron Revolution Support Act of 2007
Introduced Jul 30, 2007 S. 1900: A bill to authorize appropriations for the United States Institute for Environmental Conflict Resolution.
Scheduled for Debate Apr 10, 2008 S. 1304: Arizona National Scenic Trail Act
Introduced May 1, 2007 S. 1255: Indian Arts and Crafts Amendments Act of 2007
Introduced Mar 21, 2007 S. 952: A bill to amend the Morris K. Udall Scholarship and Excellence in National Environmental and Native American Public Policy Act of 1992 to provide funds for training in tribal leadership, management, and policy, and for other purposes.
Introduced Mar 1, 2007 S. 744: SAVE LIVES Act
Scheduled for Debate Sep 17, 2007 S. 722: Walnut Canyon Study Act of 2007
Introduced Feb 16, 2007 S. 663: A bill to amend title 10, United States Code, to repeal the statutory designation of beneficiaries of the $100,000 death gratuity under section 1477 of title 10, United States Code, and to permit members of the Armed Forces to designate in writing their beneficiaries of choice in the event of their death while serving on active duty.
Introduced Feb 8, 2007 S. 531: A bill to repeal section 10(f) of Public Law 93-531, commonly known as the "Bennett Freeze".
Introduced Feb 7, 2007 S. 519: SAFE Act of 2007
Introduced Feb 1, 2007 S. 478: Federal Election Administration Act of 2007
Introduced Jan 31, 2007 S. 463: 527 Reform Act of 2007
Introduced Jan 17, 2007 S. 327: Cesar Estrada Chavez Study Act
Introduced Jan 4, 2007 S. 192: Lobbying, Ethics, and Earmarks Transparency and Accountability Act of 2007
Introduced Jan 4, 2007 S. 166: Cell Phone Tax Moratorium Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate Apr 10, 2008 S. 86: Fossil Creek Wild and Scenic River Act of 2007
Introduced Jan 4, 2007 S. 85: Indian Tribes Methamphetamine Reduction Grants Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate Mar 1, 2007 S. 84: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2007
Introduced Jan 4, 2007 S. 83: Rail Security Act of 2007
Now...why don't you give us your educated and unbiased opinion on why these bills are more "stuffed suit" than all of Obama's bills.
What this comes down to is that your going to pooh-pooh anything Obama says or does while not offering one single reason why McCain is a better choice and ignoring the fact that McCain has some very factual skeletons in his closet, i.e, Keating Five involvement, ties to lobbyists, adultery...these are FACTS and PROOF POSITIVE of serious character flaws and questionable judgement.
August 1, 2008
11:32 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Big_D, it's your candidate that has ties to racists. Why do you ignore that and in the same breath, try very hard (and fail so badly at) to equate anything about McCain as being racist? Take the blinders off, man. See the truth for what it is, not fantasize about what you want to see in your candidate.
zivo......... thanks to Reagan, our economy jumped significantly after the slump that Carter got us into. Hmmmm, guess that doesn't work with your thinking, because Carter's a Democrat and there's no way a Democrat ever does any harm to our economy.
August 1, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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GetReal writes:
trythinking-
Nicely done.
That's gonna leave a mark.
August 1, 2008
11:38 a.m.
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davies writes:
Conservative: "Obama was wrong. I inflated my tires, checked them with my tire gauge to make sure they were at the 35 PSI maximum, and my Expedition still only got 13.2 miles per gallon."
Liberal: "Obama told me I should inflate my tires, so on the way to drop off my kids at their Spanish language class, I got one of those 12-volt tire inflators. I plugged it into the cigarette lighter, turned it on, and then went to watch my tires inflate."
"Well after it had been running for 20 minutes the tires still looked a little flat, but I just know I'll be saving gas anyway."
August 1, 2008
11:46 a.m.
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Who_Me writes:
Oh no! I didn't mean to vote for Obama. I meant to vote for McCain, but gosh darn, I just got so confused by everything.
August 1, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
I'm really not surprised that one of the voting public is quite obviously a moron. What frightens me the most is that she probably doesn't know a thing about Obama's plans (nor McCain's for that matter) -- heck she can't even figure out what she's purchasing -- but she knows that she's gonna vote for Obama.
August 1, 2008
11:56 a.m.
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Who_Me writes:
I say we put the Rockies in charge of selling the tickets. No one in Denver really wants to attend this anyway.
August 1, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
People on the right are so mad that we like our guy (ObamaMessiah,YOGI "HUSSEIN" BERRA)
They're trying to convince us that our enthusiasm won't amount to anything -- They believe that in this election the same old smears and negative attacks will prevail again.
They're wrong.
Obama 08
August 1, 2008
12:02 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"Please folks, research this stuff before you vote for Muhammabamabad"
do you really expect people to listen to you like an adult when you use childish pet names for the man in every other post?
you come off as a joke on here with all of your anger and juvenile attacks -- like your logic that voting for the man means you hate America.
can you grow up, please?
August 1, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
and the samee goes for folks who use McSame and all of the like names... there's clowns on both sides of the isles that don't realize that they aren't changing anyone's minds with their unintelligent tactics -- ESPECIALLY not their own closed ones.
it's our countries future here, not a schoolyard cut-down match...
August 1, 2008
12:10 p.m.
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coloradovet writes:
I'm the kind of vet that is tired of our image being tarnished in the World and our troops overstreched while the real enemy in Afghanistan is multiplying.
August 1, 2008
12:10 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Denver B. I agree completely. You state "do you really expect people to listen to you like an adult when you use childish pet names for the man in every other post?
you come off as a joke on here with all of your anger and juvenile attacks -- like your logic that voting for the man means you hate America.
can you grow up, please?"
Do you feel the same way with McSame and all the other "pet names" for McCain? or "retardicans" or any of the other "pet names"
Personally I think a lot of people posting in here are hateful, regardless of party affilliation. But since you are using the words of hate and "pet names", I have yet to see you extend your hand accross the aisle to bring this country together rather than divide it. Although my row as far as party affilliation is not of the 2 party system, I have and will extend my hand to both rows. What about you?
August 1, 2008
12:15 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
mulatto? sambo?
is racism the only way you know how to attack a political candidate? both of those terms are considered offensive, ESPECIALLY in the way you use them.
i hope you don't represent most of our vets, because I know a few that wouldn't want to associate themselves with someone that makes comments like that.
"We like warriors who win, not mulatoes who whine and whimper in war time. "
keeping with that logic, and we'd still be in Vietnam getting slaughtered....
"The reason I ask is because most vets (myself included) who actually once pounded ground with a rifle, don't care too much for Sambo's comments about the war being lost and the troops must come home because they've failed."
two things:
most vets i know (quite a few, actually. including several family members as well as friends still on active duty) admit that the war is pointless at this point and that we need to leave.
two: you twist things around to fit your stupid argument. PLEASE point out where Obama has blamed THE TROOPS and told them that THEY FAILED?>
the ADMINISTRATION failed them and sent them off to a no-win situation. there's a huge difference, bud.
and of course the troop surge worked. we sent over the best army in the world, how coudl that not be effective... but in the long run, was it worth it? did it REALLY accomplish anything or are we still, generally, in the same much we were in before it (yes, we are).
but hey, you name implies you don't give a crap about being PC (and about being a bigot), so more power to you.
just don't expect others to take anything you say with more than a grain of black pepper, and certainly don't expect others to agree with you.
August 1, 2008
12:16 p.m.
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ssqured writes:
NoPCme > You're pathetic. If, as you state, you are a veteran,
then you are a discrace to the country and the uniform. Ditto
Big_D's comments for me.
August 1, 2008
12:17 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
colibertarian, i hope you saw my second post following that where i say the same about dems who call mccain pet names.
August 1, 2008
12:18 p.m.
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coloradovet writes:
DenverB, you are exactly right! I happen to be one of those vets. Been to Iraq 2X. Have lost two great battle buddies to the war (one in Afghanistan).
August 1, 2008
12:20 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
DenverB....LOL yes I did....must have been typing as you were posting. Thank you for the clarification.
August 1, 2008
12:22 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
zivo24
Thanks for the information. I knew about his efforts at campaign finance reform, crossing the aisle for up or down votes on judges and global warming. But some of the other stuff is brand new to me. John McCain is the man!
He is for tax relief, and I like lower taxes. He is for the environment and I like the environment. He wants better for our troops, I'm good with that. He seems to be for programs that benefit all people not a particular race of people, with the exception of the Native American meth bill, but considering the harm done this is a great idea. He supports scenic and wild areas and for railroad security. Wow, I had no idea, I was a Romney supporter. The boxing thing is a little odd.
All that and he is a fully vetted truly patriotic war hero that puts his comrades and country before himself.
Just curious, which of the bills that you mentioned is the smoking gun of your post? McCain seems to be all over the place in many different areas but with one theme, what is best for the USA. Obama has a theme as well. It just appears to be for the benefit of a very narrow segment of society.
August 1, 2008
12:24 p.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
DenverB:
Responsibility for the wars does not lie completely with "the administration" by which you directly mean the office of the president. Congress (Obama and McCain included) has had just as much a part in the war as the president has had. So, it's really "the government" who failed the troops, not just "the administration".
August 1, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
i agree, fnt. our congress could have had the balls to pull them out as well, and they didn't.
it's sad how people who will never be in harms way can, at a whim, decide the fate of thousands of our young men and women for a cause that nobody can seem to agree on just what the purpose is...
August 1, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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jaybyrd writes:
this blatantly Just Not Fair! Obama supporters have already been taken in by the Anointed One from the totally corrupt South Chicago political machine; they should not be victimized a second time. Then again, why is anyone surprised?
August 1, 2008
12:44 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"he assertions you make in your last post are easily refuted by the facts."
then please, give me some facts -- but try to do so in a way that doesn't include your biggoted, racist opinion if you could. otherwise i'm going to ignore it like the rest of the crap you spew.
"But liberals and the Democratic party haven't let facts get in the way of trashing Bush as soon as he gets up in the morning,"
by this, i'm assuming you thing Bush has done a bang-up job OR that you don't think criticizing a wartime president is appropriate. either way you'd be wrong.
"trashing our troops, and trashing our country."
please. aside from the uber-conservative "GOD HATES FA GS" folks that protest military funerals, who is trashing the troops that actually means anthing? Obama? could you, again, point to some facts where he is trashing our troops?
and trashing our country? by saying we don't like the direction it is headed in? i consider that to be patriotic.
really. you have done nothing on here but prove you are a fringe-lunatic with racist tendencies that can't argue his points with anything other than Faux-news talking points and bigotry.
thanks for playing though.
August 1, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"Big_D writes: "They use terms like "Muhammabamabad" and expect not to be called racist?"
So... if I call him "hussien" will I still be called a racist?"
no. that's his real name.
but the use of Mohammad, like folks are doing it, is based in a slightly bigoted association with all things middle east -- like the two names are interchangeable since (to some) the bring up the same gut reaction of negativity.
Of course, you would likely be using his middle name to incite the same type of reaction (like most people who do that), so it doesn't make you much better.
I mean, you can pretend that you are doing it simply because it's his middle name -- but most intelligent people (on both sides of the isle) can see through that to the cheap shot you attempt to make.
and as i said before, if you really are trying to associate it with something negative and threatening, why chose Hussein?
Like Obama, Saddam wasn't a threat to this country either.
August 1, 2008
12:56 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
thanks grunt,
i kinda wanted to see your take on this clown as well, and it's about what i expected.
August 1, 2008
12:59 p.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
As an 0811 through the first gulf war, I have to agree with MarineGrunt. But this the the Democratic American Experience for you. They promise the world, take your money and deliver some pathetic side show.
August 1, 2008
1:08 p.m.
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coloradovet writes:
Grunt, I made no racists comments. Who are you confusing me with? I am a 12B Combat Engineer who served out of LSA Dogwood (first time) and Baghdad Division (second time). Where did you serve? Why are you not patriotic if you don't support McCain? You might be surprised about how many vets actually support your position.
August 1, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
colovet, i think it's clear he was talking to the bigot PC and not to you.
:)
August 1, 2008
1:16 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Trythinking - thanks for the offer! Maybe we can make that happen some time in the future.
Grunt - I was going to ask the same questions. coloradovet doesn't seem to be speaking in terms that most other vets would find agreeable.
Let's wait for the answer...
August 1, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
big_d......... the church that Obama attended spewed racism, calling white people "whitey" and other racist things. If Obama found that offensive, he would've left the church. At least that's what anyone with common sense would do. If I attended a church where they used slurs to describe any race, I'd leave. Obama didn't, so the message he sends is that he feels it's okay to cut down white people. It's extended by Obama bringing race into the Presidential race. Who really cares what Obama looks like, or what his skin color is? What we want to know is how his shallow plans are good for America. One other thing, if John McCain voted against making MLK a national holiday, it hardly means race was a factor in it.
coloradovet, are you suggesting there's no enemies of America in Iraq? Are you saying the soldiers being killed over there are dying at the hands of friendly people? Please don't tell me that you believe in pulling completely out and letting the soldiers that have died end up having died in vain?
August 1, 2008
1:22 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"Please don't tell me that you believe in pulling completely out and letting the soldiers that have died end up having died in vain?"
so, do you feel that's what happened in Vietnam? or, at some point, is saving the lives of Americans and admitting that youre in a quagmire that can't be won MORE important than saving grace or pride?
how is letting more soldiers die in vain saving others from dying in vain?
remember, the majority of this country feels this way about the war at this point.
August 1, 2008
1:30 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
NoPCme
Let me say it again, They believe that in this election the same old smears and negative attacks will prevail again. It wont happen. You are a punk @ss hidding behind your computer, you would not have the rocks to talk like that in a crowd, because you would get your @ss handed to you, just like the rest of your bigot pals above!
You know more about Obama than you do McCain.SAD
August 1, 2008
1:38 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
and, unlike you, not everyone sees an intelligent retreat from a country that has no use for us there to be letting soldiers die in vein.
some of us simply see them being sent over there to begin with to be them dying in vein at the control of a goverment that never had all of the information in the first place....
i'm not a soldier, never was, (and i don't feel like any less of an american because of that), but the many that I know (again) feel about the same -- and they are the ones seeing their friends blown to bits. Each one of them has told me that they do what they do because that is their job, they would just like to know that their job has a purpose right now and the ones in Iraq don't really know what that is....
even if we "win" the war (can someone please define what that would be in this situation?), the fact that we didn't need to be over there in the first place pretty much means those soldiers were sent to do their duty under false pretenses -- which to me makes their deaths a shame on this country.
you expect, when you join the armed forces, to protect and serve your country with the utmost pride (as you should) when called to do possibly die for said country for good and just reasons... but when our leaders can't even agree on what those reasons are, i can't imagine what it must feel like to serve under them.
now that we are over there, sure the soldiers all have duties to fill that are valuable not only to our mission but to the success of the destroyed Iraq. I get that.
but again, (and not to be one of those people living in the past.. .but this is a valid point about why i feel the way i do about the troops being over there) -- they shouldn't be there in the first place.. which makes justifications like the ones i have above even harder to accept. sure we are doing great things, but we'd be doing that anywhere we chose to invade... the bottom line is: should we be in that position in the first place?>
and if we shouldn't, what is the purpose of sticking around any longer than we need to?
(AND BECAUSE SOME OF YOU MIGHT TAKE THAT LAST STATEMENT AS SOLDIER BASHING, I'LL MAKE IT CLEAR: IT'S NOT THE SOLDIERS FAULT THEY ARE THERE AND DYING AND I FULLY SUPPORT THE TROOPS AND THEIR SAFETY.)
August 1, 2008
1:38 p.m.
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ssqured writes:
Hey! Where did $#!+ for brains NoPCme go?
Grunt, It appears as if you've asked the one
question NoPCme has no answer for.
Stop the madness!
Don't vote for incumbents.
August 1, 2008
1:46 p.m.
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coloradovet writes:
DenverB, do you think we should have stayed in Vietnam? If not, than all those Soldiers died in vain. My point is you could use these same arguments in that war. (ie, that we should have stayed so the other 50,000 didn't die in vain)
70% of Iraqis want us out of their country. We've given them plenty of time to stand on their own. Cons are using the Soldiers, once again, as political fotter (just like they did in the 2004 election). We've done our job there, yes, the surge worked, so can we please pull out now, and direct our efforts where they should have been in the first place?
"Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die"
August 1, 2008
1:48 p.m.
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hillbillygoth writes:
Obama..McCain. Just like the "good guy" and the "bad guy" in
pro wrestling, who share a beer and a laugh after the bout.
Mere puppet minions of the true evil known as The New World Order.
August 1, 2008
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Grunt - agreed. I would cover both your backs as I'm sure you would mine. I'd be better with an A5 than a m-16. I was navy...
Easy to see how we a bit worked up. For the most part it means we're people with passion, for life and all other components. I, too, present my knee-jerk reactions & then feel bad cause my typing couldn't keep up with my thoughts so the thought is incomplete & easy to misconstrue.
August 1, 2008
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vet64 writes:
Come on, folks, lighten up. After all, its only a media event for the next Jerry Springer guest. Obama is playing the limelight to the hilt and enjoying every minute of it. He knows he has a small chance of winning the election but an even bigger chance of having the American voter fill his bank account with free cash. Remember, he gets to keep all the money not spent on the election.
August 1, 2008
3:33 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
colorado vet:
I think you need to go back and re-read my post again, as I think you didn't quite get what i was saying.... because it seems we are in agreement.
August 1, 2008
3:50 p.m.
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P_Denver writes:
First, McCain backs the "original" tax rebates. Now this:
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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday pushed for a windfall profits tax to fund $1,000 emergency rebate checks for consumers besieged by high energy costs, a counter to Republican rival John McCain's call for more offshore drilling in coastal states like Florida.
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I thought it was supposed to be illegal to try and buy elections?
How am I supposed to tell McCain and Obama apart?
August 1, 2008
7:37 p.m.
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not_gene writes:
Gene-
Reread my original comment. I knew the only retort you could possibly have to my post would be to say, "See, he really did say it!" That's why I stated previously that I did watch the clip of him talking about tire inflation.
As I said hours ago, "Possessing analytical abilities instead of simple reactionary tendencies (like the braintrust), I was able to interpret that Obama was simply advocating that Americans take personal responsibility for the crisis we are in and practice conservation."
Gene, think it through, guy! Do you really believe Obama's energy policy is only about inflating tires? Don't you think there could be more to it than that? The ability to understand two opposite opinions and then weigh them rationally is the key to an educated electorate. Of course both candidates have platforms on many issues that are comprehensively thought out. I agree with some of Obama's positions, and I can see some things from McCain's POV.
The key, Gene, is to really listen, read, and research these men thoroughly and then base our votes accordingly. Otherwise, we run the risk of letting 30-second soundbytes run our lives while the people in power go unchecked.
Gene, I pity your naivete. America deserves better from you.
August 1, 2008
9:10 p.m.
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not_gene writes:
Gene-
I acknowledge he said it.
I've acknowledged that twice.
I've given you a reason he said it.
Twice.
And I've offered you the link to Obama's entire energy policy so you could see beyond one statement in a speech to the actual substance of his position.
You've offered nothing but petty name calling.
There is a difference betweeen shouting across the aisle and actual legitimate debate.
If you really care about discussing the state of our nation, offer a credible dissention to Obama's actual energy policy. Or a critique of any of his other actual policies. Or a critique of anything other than a 30-second soundbyte.
Or is that too difficult for you?
August 1, 2008
9:46 p.m.
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not_gene writes:
Gene -
So you are not going to offer any critique of his actual policies laid out very clearly on his website?
And you are going to result to more name calling?
I guess I win then.
August 1, 2008
9:49 p.m.
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MountainSkier writes:
NEW SHOW: JEREMIAH WRIGHT WILL BE IN THE FRONT ROW!! HURRY, TICKETS GOING FAST!!
OMG! An inexperienced rookie speaking vaguely, but that can clearly read a teleprompter with charisma!! Let me quickly get my wallet & shell out some Benjamins to be a part of the magic and luster!! O happy day!!
For all you diehard environmentalist folks, I am sorry, but your beloved Obama has retracted (flip-flopped) and said he would be interested in limited oil exploration offshore!! haha
It appears that instead of having all these innate leadership qualities, he is the 11th hour flipious-floppereas follower.
No one wants $7/gal gasoline, but with rising international demand and $700 BILLION dollars flowing to foreign nations every year because we're importing 70% of our oil, that's a problem.
To think that low-output wind farms or solar will alone solve our problems, and in 12 months timeframe you'll be flying around in a brand new $50k Toyota hydrogen fuel cell sportscar is ridiculous.
Al Gore admits his energy plan would cost $3,000,000,000,000 (yes, $3 TRILLION, kids) adding to our national deficit which is in terrible shape, and take OVER 10 years to implement, so why is the #1 argument everyone's making against offshore energy exploration that it will take 5-10 years to see a dramatic effect on gasoline prices at the pump. It provides relief on a struggling economy with small businesses trying to stay afloat.
Families across Colorado and this nation and trying to make ends meet, and a huge part is gas prices and inflated food prices because of the jump in diesel fuel with shipping goods.
We need a comprehensive plan that includes domestic energy exploration with a real "do everything" approach, not fragmented ideas leaving huge viable solutions off the table. Thanks.
August 1, 2008
10:21 p.m.
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not_gene writes:
Gene-
I like your advice to MountainSkier. We should all try to educate ourselves on what the two candidates both believe instead of just leaping from soundbyte to soundbyte.
I know it might make you sleepy, but isn't the fate of our nation worth a little bit of hard reading?
August 2, 2008
4:50 p.m.
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Redbone writes:
I need to tickets to attend when Senator Obama gives his acceptance speech at Invesco Field Mile High.
Who got 2?
gowest1000@aol.com (Texas / Chicago )
August 3, 2008
8:58 a.m.
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dnvrgrl writes:
This article isn't about dem v reps. It's about the sad ticket purchaser. I don't think she should be too upset - afterall, she DOES get to look at shoes! And not just any shoes, mind you.